It seems Qatar has bought off everyone. Witkoff is a real estate multi-millionaire if not billionaire. He didn’t have to sell his property to the Qatari sovereign fund. It’s actually very easy not to do business with them. A year or so before 10/7, my husband was offered a consulting assignment by an entity controlled by the Qatari “royal family”. He turned it down because he didn’t want to associate with a leading sponsor of terrorism. He also turned down a board position with a company owned by a CCP controlled venture capital fund. See? Not hard at all if you have principles.
A lot of words about Trump/Netanyahu. My take is simple. Trump wants the House of Saud to sign normalization treaty with Israel, as this further isolates Iran. Saudi Arabia was to be crown jewel of Trump 1st term led Abraham Accords, and it was on-track to happen until 10/7. Prior to Saudia Arabia, UAE, Bahrain, Morocco and Sudan had all signed peace treaties w/ Israel between Sept ‘20 and Jan ‘21. To get Saudi back on track, the conflict in Gaza needs to wrap up.
For Netanyahu, he’s the biggest non-USA neocon in the planet. And Netanyahu wants overt military action led by USA against Iran. That is Bibi’s way, best described as ‘strength through brute force’ and there are 6 Arab countries who experienced this in last 20-ish years (Iraq, Syria, Libya, Lebanon, Somalia, Sudan). Netanyahu really liked all that destabilization of those Arab neighbors. It was Bush’s way too. But MAGA largely now rejects this. Trump’s way is different, more described as ‘strength through peace’. Trump’s Mid East legacy aims to be more and more Abraham Accord, peace.
This is all about getting Abraham Accords back in vogue. And this Trump supporter agrees with use of salty language and breaking Bibi’s Sabbath to make that happen, because a leopard like Netanyahu who sees an existential threat to Israel wherever he looks -- isn’t interested in reading and reacting to the tea leaves. Need to get right up in his face, instead.
Isreal should do everything in its power to protect its homeland. If missiles are raining down inside Israel and they come from outside Israel borders, the Israeli Air Force should snuff it out.
If I was Israel, I’d be trying to get my hands on the same drone technology we see over New Jersey, that is likely launched from Chinese subs. The gravity propulsion system that allows these drones to fly like a UFO. Then launch these drones from Israeli subs in the Red Sea/Gulf of Aden armed with conventional weapons, and drop them on Yemen sites that launch warheads into Israel.
I think this could very well be right. I despise Trump and MAGA but Abraham accords were possibly greatest accomplishment and Bibi knew about Oct 7 attack plans - Mossad had them a year in advance, and he realizes conflict keeps him in power and out of jail (sounds familiar to MAGA, huh?).
I’m pretty sure Iran already has a nuke. But the neocons have been good at putting up a long running narrative that we gotta stop it, because that is good for $ business. Changing Iran has to come from within, or else the risk of tactical nuke exchange is too much.
If you read my other comments you’d know I’m not advocating for doing nothing. I’m in favor of isolating Iran by getting Saudi Arabia to sign onto Abraham Accords. And trying to do the same with other Arab nations as well.
The Shi'a Islamic Republic does not care about the Sunni states. It plans to dominate them with its nuclear weapons. The idea of letting Iran go ahead with their nuclear bomb program is not, in my opinion, good advice. Destroying their bomb program is a much better plan. Israel did it with Iraq and Syria, and, as a result, Israel still exists. Time to do it with Iran. And knock out the despotic theocratic leadership as well. The intelligent and creative Iranian people would be grateful.
Blunting Iraq’s nuclear aims does not mean the USA needs to be dragged into a shooting war with Iran. I hope you are not advocating that. Whether Iraq or Syria had nuclear programs is up for debate. I’m happy that Israel still exists. I’m less pleased that native peoples across Europe are seeing their cultures and countries turned into ‘low trust’ societies due to influx of refugees from Arab countries Israeli and USA neocons saw as threats and worked tirelessly to destabilize since 9/11. UK and EU natives are ‘losing’ their countries. I do agree with you that the Persian people are wonderful, I count a few close friends who are 1st and now 2nd generation who escaped Iran following the ‘78 revolution.
If this deal goes through as reported, then Trump begins his second term by selling out the Jews. He will be perceived as weak and America takes a loss, a paper tiger. How did Trump show his strength? By having Witkoff slap around Netanyahu? We Jews have lived through this before. Hamas wins, keeps it's sovereignty, receives thousands of Jew killers in return for some hostages, Israel retreats left in the same perilous position as on October 6th, Trump is all bluster and his enemies see this, and all of this before he is sworn in. G-d help us.
Please stop with this bullshit. Israel wins when it signs a peace treaty with Saudi Arabia and perhaps eventually Qatar. This isolates Iran. Israel can also win by proceeding with co-developing the Gaza Marine w/ Egypt and PA. Thereby isolating Hamas and actually giving Palestinian youth some economic hope from a capitalist source, and not the UNRWA. There are more than 1 ways to skin a cat. Netanyahu should try a clean break from his ‘Clean Break’ doctrine. It’s run its course. Trump was a great 45th President when it came to foreign policy. Do you not appreciate the Abraham Accords? The first time since Egypt in ‘79, we saw multiple Arab countries sign normalization treaties w/ Israel. That was Trump led. He’s going to continue that as 47th, and that approach doesn’t include more war.
It's you who is writing bullshit. Egypt and the PA working with Israel to isolate Hamas? In what universe? That's not real. Never was, never will be. Peace treaty with Saudi Arabia and Qatar? You don't know the Muslim world. Qatar is funding Hamas and Hezbollah. So they are going to engage in a peace treaty? The Abraham Accords are not peace treaties. They are truce accords. A truce is acceptable to the Muslim world in times of weakness which shall be broken when strong enough to overcome the infidel Israel. Israel knows this. The release of the hostages and the surrender of Hamas is real, tangible. That is something Saudi Arabia and Qatar will respect. What you support forces Muslim leaders to fight Israel.
Trump is going to threaten to slow/stop arms from USA to Israel if Netanyahu doesn’t straighten the F up and get back advocating and supporting AA. And if winds start moving that way and Bibi digs in his heels, Netanyahu will find himself out of a job. IMO, MAGA is done with these wars that Netanyahu advocates for. I also think MAGA will support Israel protecting its homeland and Soleimani type hits. But no more Israel + USA 3 letter agencies running riot across the Middle East. That destabilization has had a big contribution to the mass migrations into the EU and UK, and what a mess that now results. We can see the connective tissue between neocon adventures and Western cultures absorbing all the resulting refugees. Israel’s mess is spilling over into the West and us populists don’t like it. Enough is enough.
As for the development of the Gaza Marine, Israel quietly agreed to start that in Jun ‘23 - after 20+ years of stalling (because the thought proceeds would be used as terror against Israel). Was part of Iran’s calculus to initiate 10/7 because this project if it happened, might replace the mullah’s $ billions influence on PA/Hamas?
I know the history well enough. I’ve read quite a bit, and I’m in my 5 decade and have seen cause and effect of the mass destabilization of Iraq and Syria over past 20 years, and where those refugees landed were not in Israel. I’m aware also Israel has been invaded by surrounding countries 3x in an existential threat way since its founding. Which is why the 1979 treaty w/ Egypt was so important. Now, time to do more peace agreements with more Arab states.
If you are going to call my statements outlandish, please do get specific and not generic.
BTW, have you ever read the 1986 book that Bibi put together as editor? This one:
This book is based on the proceedings of the Jonathan Institute's 1984 Conference on terrorism, which attracted all the big US, Israeli and Europe neocons of the time. The Jonathan Institute was named after Netanyahu's brother, who was the sole Israeli soldier to die in the 1976 Entebbe raid (Uganda).
The mass destabilization of Iraq and Syria have nothing to do with Israel. The only wars Netanyahu was involved in were those in defense of Israel. It was the U.S. involvement in the Middle East to create an Iranian hegemon in the region that caused the destabilization and will continue to do so. Israel, as has been true throughout history is the convenient scapegoat who Biden tried to crush, end it's sovereign power and turn Israel into a smaller protectorate dependent on the United States for its existence.
It would be in their interest to tell the rest of the world to pound sand. Especially the U.S. who appears disinterested in winning wars. They should have adopted a policy of taking no prisoners before they went to war. Every terrorist caught or who surrendered should have been lined up and shot dead. Act like a terrorist, get treated like a terrorist. Then there would be no negotiations about releasing them. They are also insane if they let their enemies back in Gaza.
I think some of us would welcome that (Israel giving USA and rest of the world the finger). Israel, make your own weapons, and your own foreign policy based on the capabilities Israel comes up with, without USA. I also wish Netanyahu had never come to the USA in 2002 and advocated for the USA declaring a “war on terrorism” pushing the false narrative that Saddam had WMD’s and dragging USA into war with Iraq. That was a big fat mistake and a shit ton of Shariah has been exported to the West by poor, Arab refugees seeking a new life that was no longer available in their homelands after they were destabilized.
I’m a Christian, and to our (U.S.) shame, the Bible makes it clear that the entire world will turn its back on Israel soon enough. They deserve our help simply because they are the only democracy in that demented cul-de-sac, and they are surrounded by Arabs who will never recognize their simple right to exist. Western countries should never allow Islamists to cross our borders. They can’t even get along with each other, and their beliefs are incompatible with civilized cultures. It’s impossible to tell a “bad” from a “good” Islamist until they’ve blown your a$$ up. I know there are many who would never do that, but it’s too big a risk.
I am befuddled as to why Netanyahu would accept such a deal. There is either a caveat we don’t know or Bibi is playing a game of sorts to outsmart Hamas (and Trump).
It seems Qatar has bought off everyone. Witkoff is a real estate multi-millionaire if not billionaire. He didn’t have to sell his property to the Qatari sovereign fund. It’s actually very easy not to do business with them. A year or so before 10/7, my husband was offered a consulting assignment by an entity controlled by the Qatari “royal family”. He turned it down because he didn’t want to associate with a leading sponsor of terrorism. He also turned down a board position with a company owned by a CCP controlled venture capital fund. See? Not hard at all if you have principles.
A lot of words about Trump/Netanyahu. My take is simple. Trump wants the House of Saud to sign normalization treaty with Israel, as this further isolates Iran. Saudi Arabia was to be crown jewel of Trump 1st term led Abraham Accords, and it was on-track to happen until 10/7. Prior to Saudia Arabia, UAE, Bahrain, Morocco and Sudan had all signed peace treaties w/ Israel between Sept ‘20 and Jan ‘21. To get Saudi back on track, the conflict in Gaza needs to wrap up.
For Netanyahu, he’s the biggest non-USA neocon in the planet. And Netanyahu wants overt military action led by USA against Iran. That is Bibi’s way, best described as ‘strength through brute force’ and there are 6 Arab countries who experienced this in last 20-ish years (Iraq, Syria, Libya, Lebanon, Somalia, Sudan). Netanyahu really liked all that destabilization of those Arab neighbors. It was Bush’s way too. But MAGA largely now rejects this. Trump’s way is different, more described as ‘strength through peace’. Trump’s Mid East legacy aims to be more and more Abraham Accord, peace.
This is all about getting Abraham Accords back in vogue. And this Trump supporter agrees with use of salty language and breaking Bibi’s Sabbath to make that happen, because a leopard like Netanyahu who sees an existential threat to Israel wherever he looks -- isn’t interested in reading and reacting to the tea leaves. Need to get right up in his face, instead.
When the IDF retaliates against the Touthis what routes do you think the IAF employ?
Isreal should do everything in its power to protect its homeland. If missiles are raining down inside Israel and they come from outside Israel borders, the Israeli Air Force should snuff it out.
I agree 100%
My question was which geographic route to Yemen does the IAF take on its bombing runs to Yemen?
If I was Israel, I’d be trying to get my hands on the same drone technology we see over New Jersey, that is likely launched from Chinese subs. The gravity propulsion system that allows these drones to fly like a UFO. Then launch these drones from Israeli subs in the Red Sea/Gulf of Aden armed with conventional weapons, and drop them on Yemen sites that launch warheads into Israel.
I think this could very well be right. I despise Trump and MAGA but Abraham accords were possibly greatest accomplishment and Bibi knew about Oct 7 attack plans - Mossad had them a year in advance, and he realizes conflict keeps him in power and out of jail (sounds familiar to MAGA, huh?).
I’m pretty sure Iran already has a nuke. But the neocons have been good at putting up a long running narrative that we gotta stop it, because that is good for $ business. Changing Iran has to come from within, or else the risk of tactical nuke exchange is too much.
Sure, don't touch Iran. Just surrender. Hope for something good to happen. Great advice.
If you read my other comments you’d know I’m not advocating for doing nothing. I’m in favor of isolating Iran by getting Saudi Arabia to sign onto Abraham Accords. And trying to do the same with other Arab nations as well.
The Shi'a Islamic Republic does not care about the Sunni states. It plans to dominate them with its nuclear weapons. The idea of letting Iran go ahead with their nuclear bomb program is not, in my opinion, good advice. Destroying their bomb program is a much better plan. Israel did it with Iraq and Syria, and, as a result, Israel still exists. Time to do it with Iran. And knock out the despotic theocratic leadership as well. The intelligent and creative Iranian people would be grateful.
Blunting Iraq’s nuclear aims does not mean the USA needs to be dragged into a shooting war with Iran. I hope you are not advocating that. Whether Iraq or Syria had nuclear programs is up for debate. I’m happy that Israel still exists. I’m less pleased that native peoples across Europe are seeing their cultures and countries turned into ‘low trust’ societies due to influx of refugees from Arab countries Israeli and USA neocons saw as threats and worked tirelessly to destabilize since 9/11. UK and EU natives are ‘losing’ their countries. I do agree with you that the Persian people are wonderful, I count a few close friends who are 1st and now 2nd generation who escaped Iran following the ‘78 revolution.
Let;'s see if the ceasefire is ever finalized-Hamas has a long history of not adhering to agreements
See Netanyahu’s comments here https://www.jns.org/netanyahu-hamas-has-reneged-on-parts-of-agreement/
Tax the living crap out of all those antisemitic hives called universities and get the federal Govt out of the loan business, student and otherwise.
If this deal goes through as reported, then Trump begins his second term by selling out the Jews. He will be perceived as weak and America takes a loss, a paper tiger. How did Trump show his strength? By having Witkoff slap around Netanyahu? We Jews have lived through this before. Hamas wins, keeps it's sovereignty, receives thousands of Jew killers in return for some hostages, Israel retreats left in the same perilous position as on October 6th, Trump is all bluster and his enemies see this, and all of this before he is sworn in. G-d help us.
Please stop with this bullshit. Israel wins when it signs a peace treaty with Saudi Arabia and perhaps eventually Qatar. This isolates Iran. Israel can also win by proceeding with co-developing the Gaza Marine w/ Egypt and PA. Thereby isolating Hamas and actually giving Palestinian youth some economic hope from a capitalist source, and not the UNRWA. There are more than 1 ways to skin a cat. Netanyahu should try a clean break from his ‘Clean Break’ doctrine. It’s run its course. Trump was a great 45th President when it came to foreign policy. Do you not appreciate the Abraham Accords? The first time since Egypt in ‘79, we saw multiple Arab countries sign normalization treaties w/ Israel. That was Trump led. He’s going to continue that as 47th, and that approach doesn’t include more war.
It's you who is writing bullshit. Egypt and the PA working with Israel to isolate Hamas? In what universe? That's not real. Never was, never will be. Peace treaty with Saudi Arabia and Qatar? You don't know the Muslim world. Qatar is funding Hamas and Hezbollah. So they are going to engage in a peace treaty? The Abraham Accords are not peace treaties. They are truce accords. A truce is acceptable to the Muslim world in times of weakness which shall be broken when strong enough to overcome the infidel Israel. Israel knows this. The release of the hostages and the surrender of Hamas is real, tangible. That is something Saudi Arabia and Qatar will respect. What you support forces Muslim leaders to fight Israel.
Trump is going to threaten to slow/stop arms from USA to Israel if Netanyahu doesn’t straighten the F up and get back advocating and supporting AA. And if winds start moving that way and Bibi digs in his heels, Netanyahu will find himself out of a job. IMO, MAGA is done with these wars that Netanyahu advocates for. I also think MAGA will support Israel protecting its homeland and Soleimani type hits. But no more Israel + USA 3 letter agencies running riot across the Middle East. That destabilization has had a big contribution to the mass migrations into the EU and UK, and what a mess that now results. We can see the connective tissue between neocon adventures and Western cultures absorbing all the resulting refugees. Israel’s mess is spilling over into the West and us populists don’t like it. Enough is enough.
As for the development of the Gaza Marine, Israel quietly agreed to start that in Jun ‘23 - after 20+ years of stalling (because the thought proceeds would be used as terror against Israel). Was part of Iran’s calculus to initiate 10/7 because this project if it happened, might replace the mullah’s $ billions influence on PA/Hamas?
https://www.timesofisrael.com/netanyahu-announces-advance-in-long-stalled-plans-to-develop-gas-field-off-gaza/
I see where you are coming from. You don't know about the history so you make outlandish statements. Enough is enough.
I know the history well enough. I’ve read quite a bit, and I’m in my 5 decade and have seen cause and effect of the mass destabilization of Iraq and Syria over past 20 years, and where those refugees landed were not in Israel. I’m aware also Israel has been invaded by surrounding countries 3x in an existential threat way since its founding. Which is why the 1979 treaty w/ Egypt was so important. Now, time to do more peace agreements with more Arab states.
If you are going to call my statements outlandish, please do get specific and not generic.
BTW, have you ever read the 1986 book that Bibi put together as editor? This one:
https://www.goodreads.com/en/book/show/2677710-terrorism
This book is based on the proceedings of the Jonathan Institute's 1984 Conference on terrorism, which attracted all the big US, Israeli and Europe neocons of the time. The Jonathan Institute was named after Netanyahu's brother, who was the sole Israeli soldier to die in the 1976 Entebbe raid (Uganda).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entebbe_raid
The mass destabilization of Iraq and Syria have nothing to do with Israel. The only wars Netanyahu was involved in were those in defense of Israel. It was the U.S. involvement in the Middle East to create an Iranian hegemon in the region that caused the destabilization and will continue to do so. Israel, as has been true throughout history is the convenient scapegoat who Biden tried to crush, end it's sovereign power and turn Israel into a smaller protectorate dependent on the United States for its existence.
Maybe there’s some new sort of “beeper plan” brewing for right after the hostages come home, only this one more permanent?
Something’s up with the whole scenario. And everyone can smell it.
No way should Israel agree to this.
Israel will do whatever Trump says to do. That is, if Israel wants to continue to receive US armaments that very much help protect its homeland.
It would be in their interest to tell the rest of the world to pound sand. Especially the U.S. who appears disinterested in winning wars. They should have adopted a policy of taking no prisoners before they went to war. Every terrorist caught or who surrendered should have been lined up and shot dead. Act like a terrorist, get treated like a terrorist. Then there would be no negotiations about releasing them. They are also insane if they let their enemies back in Gaza.
I think some of us would welcome that (Israel giving USA and rest of the world the finger). Israel, make your own weapons, and your own foreign policy based on the capabilities Israel comes up with, without USA. I also wish Netanyahu had never come to the USA in 2002 and advocated for the USA declaring a “war on terrorism” pushing the false narrative that Saddam had WMD’s and dragging USA into war with Iraq. That was a big fat mistake and a shit ton of Shariah has been exported to the West by poor, Arab refugees seeking a new life that was no longer available in their homelands after they were destabilized.
I’m a Christian, and to our (U.S.) shame, the Bible makes it clear that the entire world will turn its back on Israel soon enough. They deserve our help simply because they are the only democracy in that demented cul-de-sac, and they are surrounded by Arabs who will never recognize their simple right to exist. Western countries should never allow Islamists to cross our borders. They can’t even get along with each other, and their beliefs are incompatible with civilized cultures. It’s impossible to tell a “bad” from a “good” Islamist until they’ve blown your a$$ up. I know there are many who would never do that, but it’s too big a risk.
I am befuddled as to why Netanyahu would accept such a deal. There is either a caveat we don’t know or Bibi is playing a game of sorts to outsmart Hamas (and Trump).